Curtains - It is possible I may be basing some of my observations by what I see here in this forum. A number of so called Christians here have never even been a JW and like to use this board as their personal territory to try and preach a bunch of their so-called Christian propaganda on newly exiting JWs (not to mention any names Chalam). But I don't see anybody that is making the case that scientists are saintly. I don't care if 99% of scientists are admitted self-absorbent assholes. The process is what is respected and quite defined. There is no similar process in religion. Which is why most religulous folks are of their religious beliefs for primarily one reason only - where they were born. It has nothing to do with an examine-the-facts process of any sorts.
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Uh-oh...
by AGuest inhttp://www.slate.com/id/2276919/?gt1=38001.
ah, well... nobody's perfect.. peace!.
sa, of the "well, maybe except christ class", on her own....
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by AGuest inhttp://www.slate.com/id/2276919/?gt1=38001.
ah, well... nobody's perfect.. peace!.
sa, of the "well, maybe except christ class", on her own....
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just n from bethel
It is interesting how most in the scientific community welcome scrutiny and ideas that improve, and sometimes nullify a preliminary hypothesis. This process has brought nothing but positive changes, improvements, and ultimately a solidifying of indisputable testable facts. The religulous love to point at this process and scoff at it as if it's an indication that the scientific process is meaningless. Actually, the opposite is the case. Most scientists welcome the analytical method that might result in proving their original conclusions incorrect. And upon abundance of evidence that contradicts an original scientific theory or hypothesis, the scientists will be more than willing to recognize the correction. They will not keep saying that 'even though there is obvious insurmountable evidence that proves my theory wrong, I am going to keep believing it.' No that just doesn't happen with those educated in even rudimentary scientific methods. Where might you see this though?
Well, take that same process and apply it to religulous folk. Among themselves, even within the same general belief system - Christian, Jew, Hindu, Muslim, etc., they do not welcome any process that might prove their conclusions incorrect. The personal revelationist will argue that their visions are more accurate while the literal Bible believer will argue his are. Upon being shown the mountains of evidence which debunk either or both of their conclusions, they will continue to persist their ideas are correct. Very different than what happens with those that use a scientific process.
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"Are you In the Truth?"
by Nickolas ini can't remember the last time i was asked that question because it has been many years.
nor do i remember my response to the questioner but it no doubt contributed to not being asked the question since.
are you in the truth?
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just n from bethel
Nick - let me summarize them and save you the time:
Jesus talks to me personally. I'm right and everybody else that disagrees with me is wrong. Even those that also claim to have talks with Jesus - if what they they heard wasn't the same as what Jesus told me - then they're wrong too. Also I'd like to throw in some "tsk tsk" condesending expressions for everyone that just doesn't see it my way. For those that continue to express disbelief of my claims despite me not having any evidence, I will also throw in some damnation expressions. (But I won't be specific - it'll be more like: 'Please stop blaspheming, I have seen the vision of what's in store for you from Jehiccup MiCaca - YOU DO NOT WANT IT - PLEASE I BEG YOU. Retract your statements before it's too late. blah blah blah.) In short: I'm in the truth and you're not because my hallucinations tell me so.
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Generation Teaching - Everyone is speechless?
by Red Piller inmaybe the effect of this change is bigger than realized?
in 1995, it was discussed (positively) by everybody, during the week we studied the wt.
one elder stepped down and was looked down upon.
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just n from bethel
For every paragraph DJ writes - 5 doubting lurkers end their doubts and leave the org for good. -They become completely convinced the only way to believe JWs is if you take crazy pills like Egghead.
So Egghead - even though few posters here will waste their time even reading your crazy rants, please keep posting. Nobody else will be as effective as you in convincing all the doubting lurkers that JWs are just another crazy belief system. Everytime you post Bethel facepalms. You are the reason they write articles about not debating and posting on the internet. If it wasn't for you, many lurkers would still be stringing along, wondering if JWs could possibly be right. Thanks to you though, their dillema is solved within seconds of reading your incoherent ramblings. Every sentence you post is more stupid than the last. By the time a lurker finishes reading one page of your 'as-long-as War and Peace' posts, they realize that they are more stupid than before they started reading.
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DAY of DOOM: Armageddon Comes for the WatchTower--- April 5, 2011
by cameo-d inmy speculation comes from something that conspiracy theorists know as an illuminati ritual called "revelation of method".
it is when symbols and indications are given ahead of time, (revealed in movies, television shows, etc.
) of something that is planned.
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just n from bethel
I saw this video in 2007 and figured someone would come on JWN and predict something fantastically ridiculous. And now it has come true beyond my wildest expectations!
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"Are you In the Truth?"
by Nickolas ini can't remember the last time i was asked that question because it has been many years.
nor do i remember my response to the questioner but it no doubt contributed to not being asked the question since.
are you in the truth?
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I personally want to thank Tec, MyElaine, and AGuest for all claiming they are in the truth - while at the same time not being able to agree on what the truth is. Sunnis and Shiites couldn't have made this point better than you guys.
If the following video was a prophecy, you guys just proved it's fulfillment:
If being "in the truth" means believing like these 'Christians' who all think their version of the truth is the truth, I might as well have stayed in the Watchtower.
Thanks for the thread Nick - this has been hilarious. Made my day.
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gb members - part of a local congo ?
by inbetween into all with bethel inside information:.
normally the brothers serving at bethel are also connected with some local congregation.
in my area, the brothers in bethel support different congregations in their city.. how is this in new york ?
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Lot of the GB in the 90s went to foreign language congos. Losch surprisingly goes to English congo: Red Hook Brooklyn. As for the others, I haven't really kept up - Barr probably goes to Brooklyn Heights - but they also have the tie-ins for the infirm directly to the rooms. OT: When I was there I hacked into it via my radio. Watchtower Night was much better in my room with a beer.
They all go and are on the elder bodies but most of the time they don't take a postition of secretary/SO/COBOE because they're away a lot with talks etc.
However, for the record, I used to see Klein all the time out in service in the Heights.
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Jehovah's 21st century miracle manna?
by Nathan Natas inwhen one of jehovah's witnessses accepts blood or blood fractions, where do they come from?.
jehovah's witnesses do not donate blood.. jehovah has provided a twenty-first century miracle - he has moved the hearts of "worldly people" who are fit only for destruction to provide the life-sustaining blood fractions that may be needed by his named people.. furthermore, jehovah has his angelic medical team protecting that "worldly" blood so that his people do not risk demonic possession by consuming theocratically-approved blood fractions, as they might had they instead purchased a table lamp from a garage sale held by that same worldly person.. praise jah, you sheeple!.
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just n from bethel
You know there are a lot of questions out there that JWs will just have to wait till the new system for Jehovah to answer:
Fractions - where do they come from?
Magnets - How do they work?
It's a miracle.
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Loftus: Are We Angry Atheists?
by leavingwt injohn w. loftus responds to the "angry atheist" assertion.
are we angry atheists?.
.. if we are angry, christians will see this as a sign we are god haters.
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just n from bethel
Whether it's a 'Christian/believer's' defense or chest-thumping point - it really doesn't matter. The statistics, as usually the case, are flawed. Man am I glad I went to college and aced my statisics class. Most of these kinds of polls are so flawed that it's a joke to ever quote them, but hey that's what the Watchtower does and that's what media does - so why not everybody else?
Even if there is a bit of truth to it. Here's the problem. If you asked me the volunteer survey when I was a Witness, I'd be able to say I did hours upon hours of volunteer work. After I stopped being a Witness, though, my volunteer work stopped. Most here, religious or otherwise, would probably agree that my "volunteer" work was of little if any real charitable benefit.
While JWs certainly consider their religious activities as actual volunteer work, so do countless of other religions. Playing in a band at a church? Then you're volunteering. Organize a church youth field trip? You're volunteering. Maybe some religious activitites are more legitimately charitable than others, but the point is that religions provide a structure in which members must support the church. And don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking church-sponored soup kitchens or church-sponsored help-the-homeless days - It's cool that they do those things. I'm sure there are even a few that truly do so without an agenda - but most churches are first and foremost about their own survival and growth, no different than the WT.
The question that the quoted poll fails to incorporate is if the volunteering by such religious persons is church-sponsored. And if it is - is it really a charitiable volunteer work? Most would probably say JWs, Mormons, and children's Jesus Camps are not truly charitiable - but as far as the poll is concerned - those activities are considered volunteering.
Those that are not religious, often don't have a structure that considers a ministry of non-belief as volunteer work. Think about it. That athiest girl with the message on the bus "God probably doesn't exist" - In all likelihood she doesn't consider that charitable work - and it sure wouldn't be tax-deductible. On the other hand, a religous group putting a message on a bus that says 'God Exists .etc. etc.' would consider that volunteering and - IT IS TAX DEDUCTIBLE.
So the stats are flawed. To be a bit more accurate, it would need to exclude any kind of volunteering that would be considered 'ministry related'.
At least that's my opinion. I'm relatively new out of the org though. I don't know - or I should say more accurately, don't care about religion. That doesn't mean I'm a believer or non-believer and I definitely can't be classified as athiest or agnostic. Truly no "ism" would come close to categorizing me. So I wouldn't have fit in the survey one way or the other. But - I do volunteer with my local 'search and rescue' and the humane society. And the funniest thing of all is that I think most non-believers are more likely to follow Jesus' words than the so called believers, that is they're more likely to not announce their charitable giving and truly 'not let their left hand know what the right is doing'. Now who is really Christian?
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Tower of Babel built by Babies!
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite inthe weekly tms bible reading assignment is not read, or not carefully read, by most of the sheeples.
it doesn't really matter, because the consideration of the bible reading material is one of the shortest parts on the meeting with a limited number of comments, and those comments are restricted to less than 30 seconds or you will get counselled.
over and over, the dubs are told to read the bible, yet the organization gives no real encouragement to read the bible by keeping everyone busy in the recruiting work and using relatively few scriptures in their "talks".. why?
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just n from bethel
I see the Insight/Aid books official address to this issue was posted. However, I realized a long time ago that the math was wrong with everything surrounding the flood and post-flood. This was my first big issue that woke me up. I spoke to numerous high up bethel elders, cos, missionaries, etc. on this matter. Everyone just replied that 'although they could not make sense of it either, that I should just wait on Jehovah'. After many years of waiting and discovering a number of other matters wrong, I checked out. However, I still have never seen one single apologetic JW able to address this very issue.
I would love to hear what some egomaniac JW like egnogg or Scholar has to say about this issue. So to you apologetics out there, go on - read through the points presented on this thread - make your reply. Your silence is reminiscent of the multiple elders and long-time JWs that could never answer, and all but agreed that it doesn't compute.
For you other lurking JWs with serious concerns over your beliefs, seriously, don't do what I did. Don't waste years hoping that one day God will give new light to the entourage in Brooklyn. Math is not something that can be interpreted or made to fit your belief system. It's not something that Satan has control over. It's math, plain and simple. Would God give us the ability to compute basic calculations and then expect us to believe stories that contradict such simple math? If the WT can't get math right on this matter, isn't it obvious that they can't get their math right on the whole 607/1914 issue? For that matter, if they can't get the definition of generation correct, what makes you think they can get the definition of blood correct?